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John

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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2013, 07:44:26 am »
Well shoot, I'll test an A taper if you want.

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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2013, 08:06:30 am »
I was hoping you would. You'll need to send me your address.

John

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 07:10:28 am »
Just got my drill and am ready to wail on it! Thanks!

Dan, what does the "F" stamped on it mean?

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 02:46:33 pm »
The F is just an identifier - a serial number. I've given that up and stamp them with a date code now.

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2013, 03:16:12 pm »
Ah, I see.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 03:23:11 pm »
John-

I am about to buy some bits, from ICS cutting tools 11.19 ea

NO minimum purchase.

Got any other ideas?

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 03:37:58 pm »
ICS is probably fine. Are you getting the 1/4" or something else? I think I have one of your 17/64" in A taper in my gear somewhere. I was going to shape my own spade drills to work but want to try real A tapers too.

If you get 1/4, order me a few.....uh my wallet was right here...it must be in my car...uh...dresser...I would pay you right now but...I will pay ya back later..

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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 08:58:34 pm »
i am gonna get some sds 3/8 and 1/4.

I will trade you for shop time..


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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2013, 09:19:40 am »
Oh, you got one of the SDS drills? Could you order a few A tapers anyhow?

We should do a shop night for another hanger run. Maybe some 3/8" hangers also this time?

We should recruit more people who like to drink beer, make hangers and try not to lose fingers. Anyone? I think they grow back if you lose one, but I am not sure. I read that on the internet so I am pretty sure it is true.

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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2013, 01:08:36 pm »
I watch eBay for drill bits. I see 25 1/4" SDS bits for $25 today. I bought some Relton A-Taper bits yesterday.

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2013, 01:34:02 pm »
John-

I have the A taper, and am looking for SDS and HSS bits.

I checked on ebay and not much 3/8ths or 1/4 for HSS or SDS.

So I may need to go with an order from a company.


What type of bits are you looking for? 1/4 HSS?  What type of fluting?

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2013, 03:56:16 pm »
Are you aware that SDS will not work in an A taper? SDS is useless for 1/4" hand drilling anyhow.

You need one of these:
icscuttingtools.com/catalog/page_154.pdf

They are cabide tipped like SDS.

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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2013, 05:37:48 pm »
John-

I'm curious why you say the 1/4" SDS are useless. I have had them bend and once they start to bend, there is no saving them. I haven't drilled all that many 1/4" bolts so you certainly have more experience with them than I do.

A tip regarding the A-Taper holders. I always take the bit out when in storage and also try to take it out once a day or so when in use. My theory is that this helps prevent stuck bits. Steel about doubles in volume when it rusts so if even a little rust develops when the bit is pounded in tight, it will become hopelessly stuck.

I made a taper reamer as you suggested and although I was dubious, it seems to work really well. I turned it out of some 1/2" diameter O1 tool steel. It cuts much easier than I expected.

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Re: Drill Holders
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2013, 06:13:10 pm »
Dan
Regarding SDS and 1/4" hand drilling, they simply don't progress fast enough and the hammer blows feel soft. I think they function better with the gazillions of tiny blows from a rotary hammer drill as compared to the perhaps only hundreds of really hard blows of hand drilling.

Sean and I did a route and tried a new 1/4" SDS and each hole took so friggin long we eventually switched to 3/8" shorties and got them in about the same time. To be clear, that is a 1/4"x 1-1/4" buttonhead in about 15 or more minutes and the 3/8" x 2-1/4" wedge anchors in about the same time.

I almost exclusively use my own homemade "spade"-type drill bits and homemade holder. The bits are modeled after the 5.10 bits and can get a bolt in granite clipped in about 3-5 minutes if I don't stop and rest. You can really feel that the hammer blows are more solid. They are nearly a solid shaft of hardened and tempered 1/4" HSS rod so they transmit blows as good as you can get. The bad side is that they need to be sharpened pretty often. I carry two drills when on a long FA, but they are so small and light, I am sure that two or maybe three of my drills weigh about as much as a single Hurricane drill.

As far as bits sticking, brush on some anti-seize compound on the taper and it should not get stuck. I think it is a powdered alloy of copper and some other goodies mixed into a paste and it forms a layer between the taper and bore that gives when drifted out. You can get it from any automotive supply store.

I am glad to hear your reamer worked. Too bad they aren't commercially available.

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2013, 09:16:38 pm »
Thanks for the correction John, I meant Carbide tipped A taper bit, the same that I saw in the Proto at the lot.

I drilled a rivet ladder, with a brand new 1/4 SDS bit, took me all day, and I am sure that sole experience ruined my drilling elbow.