Southern Yosemite Climbing Discussions
Southern Yosemite Categories => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jerry on June 02, 2014, 08:19:06 am
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So I understand that bolt chopping has started in SoYo. I fully admit that there are routes that are in bad taste and I know many of my routes are bashed but once the bolt removal thing starts where does it end? Do self proclaimed Messiahs make the decision for everyone else? That hasn't worked real well with things that really matter in other parts of the world.
The reason I quit climbing in Yosemite years ago is the never ending slander, tit for tat BS and bitch slapping that goes on there. So and so doesn't like someone so they chop their routes. Someone else doesn't like that so they replace the route and maybe even add more bolts. Then it is chopped again and replaced again. There are places in the Park, like the top of Cathedral Peak, that look like swiss cheese. At least SoYo was different for awhile.
The ethics I was brought up with, like respecting an area that someone is developing or projects that haven't been red pointed are already gone so now we move on to removing routes too? Short of physical violence against me I'm not about to quit SoYo but from now on, beyond family, I'm sharing route info with just a few people and for those who don't like my routes I could care less.
Its not like we are dealing with something that really matters, it's f..king rock climbing! This is becoming to much like Supertopo so I guess I'm off of this one too and I guess I'll know a lot by who unfriends me on facebook!
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What did you hear Jerry? Chopping is a pretty strong accusation.
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This is becoming to much like Supertopo
I think I must have missed something. If turf wars or something are starting in SoYo, I would like to know something about it so that I can form my own conclusions. I've certainly never removed a bolt although I've seen a few that I thought should be removed such as bolts near easily gear placements.
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Yeah the Supertopo comment is pretty much out of thin air. What gives?
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Sorry to hear about your routes being chopped Jerry.
Not sure about any similarities between this site and supertopo though.
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Which routes of yours have been chopped Jerry?
Chopping is a big step in the wrong direction, I agree.
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Sorry to hear it Jerry. I hope the matter can be discussed with civility and will not continue.
There will be no unfriending by me, rest assured! I look forward to getting together later this summer.
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I hope Jerry checks in. If there's a problem or misunderstanding we should do what we can to fix it or prevent future problems.
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I hope he explains the situation too.
This would be only the second incident of chopping I have ever heard of in all of Southern Yosemite. The only other one was when Albert and Jerry himself chopped the retro bolts on Looking Glass on Fresno Dome. The odd thing is, the retro bolted Fresno Flats right next door was not chopped. I never understood that.
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Dang, this thread has bummed me out. That's all for now.
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I am all for public inquiries.
Providing as much detail as possible tends to yield the best results of said inquiry.
Jerry, If you are adamant enough to post what you have, what is it that is holding you back?
This is not the valley that is for sure, if it were there would be tons of routes with chopped bolts.
I guess I expected to hear about the controversy from you in another post, as it seems you have some inside information you wanted to leak out, slowly....
Well, hope everyone has a good weekend in the mountains.