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susan

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2014, 01:29:15 pm »
Well, I appreciate these posts, but do feel badly on the level that this is a drag...

John is working and not able to intercede, and I don't know if he even would or not. I would think at least this could be split to a different thread, or layered into a members only discussion.

There's more to the story I'm sure, it would be good to hear from those involved directly about their point of view but don't imagine that would happen here. In any case just want to say for various reasons I've had a lot of faith in DR though he is not someone I know personally really, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and too have been upset by the obloquy and personal attacks on ST on the subject. I don't see that as happening here by either of these posts, though, I understand feeling sick of it over a friend you care about involved.

I think too that VM is probably climbing. He did say he has Tuesdays off.

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2014, 01:47:51 pm »
Sorry Dan,


Maybe you might shed some light on his route(s) in that area?  Get it back on track?

I never delete or pull posts, so if the management deems it necessary to remove "our" 3 post deviation to the balloon dome thread so be it.



Now that ain't like supertopo now is it?  :D


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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2014, 01:56:58 pm »
VM is working today. Was asked to work these next few weeks. :) Need $! So I could buy more climbing gear! :) And rent a sherpa so I could get out to BALLOON DOME!

Seriously it looks soooo good!

daniel banquo merrick

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2014, 04:35:26 pm »
No problem.

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Maybe you might shed some light on his route(s) in that area?

I have talked to DR about Balloon Dome and he thought Bob and my adventures out there were interesting but he hasn't been there. I've also asked him about SoYo in general and he doesn't recall much detail. He says that Robbins would send him off with clients to climb things but nobody really kept track of where or what they climbed. I doubt DR can shed much light on anything that we don't already know.

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2014, 11:11:18 am »
Time and again I think of Thanksgiving, as whose extended family and friends that bring along varying friends who are strangers to you... are aligned on politics and religion around that table? Climbing discussions like politics and religion erupt with the same sort of passion. Even if there is general agreement on a topic, there are more nuances than people.

I think of those who have been climbing most their lives, living through changes in climbing as people who may just be open-minded and experimental enough to try exploring newly considered possibilities, so it bothers me when someone gets blasted for believing one thing one way and then trying something different at some point without first having realized the potential impact and with no benefit of hindsight.

We all get sick of these discussions at times, but dialogue has to carry-on in part because there will always be new ground to throw a wrench in the works. We all know what's heard through the grapevine or read online isn't gospel and probably referenced out of context, and maybe giving the benefit of the doubt should be knee-jerk. For instance, I think if Thau & Nettle really put bolts 3 feet apart in some spot, then there’s probably some understandable explanation for it. Maybe there's a different take on some slight protrusion in the rock face below, or the bolt was actually bad for some reason not apparent, or they didn't have the means and meant to get back to it and life, kids, whatever, hasn't allowed it. I don't mean to skim over the point VM made regarding perhaps in general noting easier territory has few protection points when difficult terrain has more than enough. But that doesn't make bad sense to me that a climb may be so constructed. And there are plenty of 'finished' routes out there that have no bolts and hardly any gear in entire pitches. Definitely don't want FAs handled by committee changing that landscape. I love that we are to tolerate if not honor differences. Those contrasts may serve to stretch and teach us with open dialogue a basic building block.
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daniel banquo merrick

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2014, 12:15:11 pm »
Thanks Susan,

I too think that discussion and sharing are important in the climbing community. In fact the people are more important to me than the climbing. I also think that online forums and the internet in general, are poor places to discuss emotional issues. My theory is that so much of communication is subtle tone, expression and visual. I've noticed that Supertopo posters who battle viciously online will have pleasant conversations at the facelift when face to face. I think it is a lot like the person who willfully and aggressively cuts you on the freeway but wouldn't do the same thing in the checkout line at the supermarket because he would have to face you and others present. Face and personal feedback are important.

Bearing that in mind, I'd be happy to talk about the Robinson/Jones Half Dome route around the campfire sometime. I could probably tell you a few few things about Doug that would be interesting and relevant which I wouldn't post on a forum because it is a public place and it isn't polite to do so. What I think may not be what you expect.

I've always been very careful about judging what people do when I wasn't there. It's hard to second guess the man on the spot. This is true even about myself when looking back on what I have and haven't done. I think of peaks and routes that I have backed off of and in hindsight I think it was pretty wimpy of me but when I was there, in that place, at that time, it was the right choice. Opinions are cheap and plentiful but truth is a very hard thing to find and even harder to recognize.

Like my grandmother used to tell me, it never hurts to be nice.


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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2014, 02:20:19 pm »
Munge, you mention the conversation is elsewhere?

Dan, Great photo of the three of you!

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2014, 12:00:47 am »
There's more to say... maybe on some other part of this forum.

Anyway, glad you like that photo VM, a rare lucky capture from my snapshot ways.

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #113 on: November 05, 2014, 09:09:50 am »
hi all, here some pix of the last years trip to balloon dome bob and clint took me, thanks again guy's for the invite great time :-).

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #114 on: November 05, 2014, 09:11:54 am »
more pix

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #115 on: November 07, 2014, 01:03:08 pm »
All of this activity is starting to make get a hankering for another hunk of Balloon Dome. 

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #116 on: November 07, 2014, 02:46:16 pm »
All of this activity is starting to make get a hankering for another hunk of Balloon Dome. 

It's all of the photos of Mike A waving...it looks like he is always having a great time.

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2014, 07:51:38 am »

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2014, 08:33:32 am »
Cool. That is badass that they went out there.

Are they Fords friends you were mentioning a while back?

susan

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Re: Pics of Balloon Dome
« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2014, 08:50:38 am »
Nice!