morning all, amy and i went and check out the pools at grizzly creek, long hike down there, long hike out, 1200 foot down and out, if you have small kidz, i do not think they would be psyched on the hike, checked out chquitio lake and grizzly lake as well, before we went climbing at fresno dome, never been to the end of the road on skyranch, beautiful drive, checked out slater's so called "best 5.8 at shuteye", at dreamscape dome, not the best 5.8 at all, if your a 5.8 climber, and your first time at dreamscape dome, super hard to find it, and real hard to get on it, hate to be all haten on tom slater, but if i was going to blah blah blah about me mega classic at shuteye's BEST 5.8. i would hook people up with awesome beta a cool topo, and show youall a map that would get you there :-(, i do not know, i guess that's just the way i roll, something like captian feather is a ton way best!!!, and the routes on the first wall you come up to at dreamscape, the starts are pretty flippen hard with no feet, but once you get going awesome edge climbing, the one second to the last route to left is a real good route, and the start move seemed to be the crux move maybe 12a, i want to see how my rating stack up to grahmy's and the rest you shuteye people??? when i get he's book. happy climbing mike a.