Author Topic: The evolution of climbing in North America  (Read 2242 times)

Jerry

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The evolution of climbing in North America
« on: June 25, 2013, 08:13:47 am »
The rebolting topic has seemed to end up as a friendly discussion on the ethics of retro bolting. The history of the sport and how it got to where it is today and we even discuss topics like this is interesting. Sigrid got me "Climbing in North America" by Chris Jones for Fathers Day and it really presents not only an interesting history of the sport but insights to how changes have occured. Usually these changes came with controversy but also changes were usually made to accommodate a need and led to a rise in achievable difficulty. It can certainly be argued that the rise in difficulty was not necessarily a rise in standards.

There is evidence that many peaks were first ascended by Native Americans but the focus here is on non native climbers. We all know that roped climbing was introduced to this country in the the 1930's but I was surprised that roped climbing in Canada went back much further. In 1888 the Canadian Pacific Railroad had been completed and the CPR had built the Glacier House below Rogers Pass in the Selkirks. Rev. William Green and Rev. Henry Swanzy used Glacier House as a starting point for an ascent of 10,000' Mt Bonny the first roped, technical climb in North America.

Climbing in the "Noth American Alps" became increasingly popular but I find it interesting that for many years climbing could only be "justified", the first ethics, as a scientific endevor and not as an end in itself. It is obvious that this was a smoke screen and these first climbers climbed for the same reasons we do. I also found it interesting that these early climbers looked with distain at those who used pitons. Sounds rather familiar, just like bolts at the beginning of the sport climbing era.

I'm only to the 1930's in the book so I'm going to jump ahead to about 1961 when I first started. I remember the total distain that the trads of the 1950's had for the rads of the early 1960's. They viewed Robbins, Chouinard, Harding and that generation not as climbers but "rock engineers" using pitons and direct aid to cheat their way up the big walls in Yosemite. Of course these trads either became bitter about the direction the sport was going and quit or they loved the sport so much they kept on going and maybe even accepted, even partially, the new age.

As the Robbins generation became the new trads they in turn were appalled with the the direction the new rads were taking the sport. I believe it was  Bridwell who did the first power drill rap route, a 10+ route on the right side of Dozier Dome if I remember (can't find my Toulumne guide to make sure). "Cheating" has been going on forever. Sometimes the cheat was the new, soon to be accepted, step in the evolution of the sport and sometimes a genuine cheat. I'm sure most of us have done "Elephant Walk" at Tollhouse and its hard to believe that the footholds at the start of pitch 3 are natural.

So now the sport has evolved in many directions but there is still an overlap. More traditional climbers may not like sport climbing or rap bolting but even my friend Doug Scott, about as hard core a trad climbers as there ever was, admitted that sport climbing was fun even though it didn't really require any commitment. And of course Bridwell had the classic quote: "sport climbing is like sport fucking, a lot of fun with no commitment". Sorry, I just HAD to throw that one in just in case someone hadn't heard it before!

In my opinion, which certainly doesn't matter or need to hold any weight, we each need to develop a set of ethics we are personally comfortable with yet still conforms with the community ethics of SoYo. However we also need to accept that nothing is static, the sport will continue to evolve and not necessarily in directions we like. But we have the choice of becoming bitter or continuing to enjoy the sport we love. So many of my generation have become bitter, hateful and quit the sport and they are the only ones hurt by that, some may sympathize but really, nobody cares!




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Re: The evolution of climbing in North America
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 09:18:25 am »
Jerry, you need to quit reading a book and write one, "Courage Required"......

I have heard of heated debates and people getting bent about how someone else climbed or put up a route since I started climbing. I don't really care one way or the other as long as they are not bolting holds up El Cap....hahaha. I usually don't broadcast how my route was done because I truly don't care when I climb someone else's route. I have never been on a route and wondered if it was done ground up or not, I just marvel at the rock features, the view, the cool places to put pro, good friends and enjoy a clear head. Although I might be thinking about that cold beer at the car once in a while. I have done ground up and top down both. I guess I am of the newer generation. I just love putting in new lines. I love the ground up but if my balls are not big enough to ground up something and the line just flat out is calling me, then I am not apposed to top down. I will TR the thing for placements and put them in. I don't sew anything up and no bolts go in where there is ANY option for pro. It is how my progress had developed, my style, my investment and my choice with the work I had to do to be in the position in the first place. I just never understood why it is such a debate. I just like the adventure.


Jerry

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Re: The evolution of climbing in North America
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2013, 09:33:34 am »
I agree 100%! While I prefere bottom up on multi pitch routes I don't really care on sport climbs. For me sport climbs are outdoor gym climbs, loads of fun in a great setting! When I'm doing a sport route I want to focus on the moves and not survival so I want the bolts where they belong not just where it is possible to place them. I also agree on natural pro when possible even on sport routes so we no longer dumb them down for people.

The hardest sport route we ever put up (now chopped by unknown people for unknown reasons) was done bottom up with a combination of aid and stances and it was also the most disappointing FA we ever did. So I will be right up front, tomorrow and Thursday are Sigrid's days off and we are going to top down a couple of sport routes. If I can ever figure out how to post pictures I will do so when we get back from our "weekend".

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Re: The evolution of climbing in North America
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2013, 10:57:29 am »
I've often thought about what it must have been like on the FA of a route. More so in later years, but that part has pretty-much always held some fascination. Similarly I'm fond of wondering about the history of an area we might visit whether related to climbing or not.  Love hearing about a particular tribe in a region or early settlers. Not fascinated by the trash I've been seeing lately lining some beautiful creeks in Soyo, but even then I wonder what those people were thinking and imagine not wanting to know them. Never mind there, I'll try to stay on topic. Even in my earlier climbing years, I really enjoyed thinking of what it must have been like for, say, Royal Robbins on the DNB. Then come to find it was Yvon Chouinard. It may not matter as far as the quality of the climbing..., but the info might prove useful and it's fun imagining. I don't know why else exactly this appeals to me, but there is something about shared consciousness for achieving a goal that at first seemed impossible. So when hearing this got retro'd, it does seem to me like there was more taken away than given back to the community of climbers in one instance, yet in another may be it was best.

Anyhow, my initial impression of climbing when I first started was how great it would be to surmount one formation and get to another and so on and keep going. I remember being told what are you talking about, hah, you pull up to a cliff and belay from your car. I would have been dashed if that held no appeal or were absolutely true. I still think it is the coolest of climbing endeavors that attempt the cleanest of climbing which leaves it up to the next parties that come along to be faced with many of the same challenges.  Doesn't mean sport climbing isn't also cool with many challenges awesome to puzzle out. We all recognize that sport climbing is fast proliferating, and it has huge impacts. Seems very important that we care about what's being developed. It tends to be a rather quiet and humble lot that cares. That prefers not to make a big stink..., tends not to use their voice, doesn't want to be left singled-out, or take some false blame for being, ironically, egotistical for caring.... We've seen these arguments run amok so quickly. Ad hominem deteriorates them to nothing. It's tough to talk about bc we are all leaving something behind - climbs that have written in them where we really stand.
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Re: The evolution of climbing in North America
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 05:02:44 pm »
Jerry-

It sounds like you are enjoying applying current topics to what you are learning in your book. They say that those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it but sometimes I think that the earlier climbers and mountaineers had it a lot easier so that doesn't sound like such a bad fate. Excluding the big improvements in the equipment of course.

I really enjoy reading about our climbing history too. One of my favorite climbing books is "Camp Four" by Steve Roper. I pick it up and read a chapter every once in a while and always pick up on a new story or detail that I missed on previous reads. I find that the explanations and stories about the progression of how we got to where we are today as far as styles, ethics and behaviors are very well told. We are also lucky to live close enough to Yosemite that we can still experience the climbs, characters and places involved in the stories.

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Re: The evolution of climbing in North America
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 08:24:23 pm »
This is a very good opener to possibly getting more folks opening up about what they value and why in their particular style or varying ways of establishing routes or climbing generally.  Enjoyed re-reading all your posts. What about others?  It is the first time I read the op as inviting others to discuss it by example. Tx Jerry.

And BTW, love that book Camp 4 and should re-read too.
 


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